Druids-Warcry 2009-02-06 19:50:32

Blah, blah I'm sure 90% of HIPHOP NG don't even know how you are and seeing as there's only like 30 people in it, you're at a standby, there's nothing here you should really have asked, that would have been the respectable thing to have done, I'm just sucked that such childish behavior has derived from a NG mod such as yourself. That and I'm shocked that 80% of the veterans of NG AP aren't gone! I mean the daily shit that gets pulled on this site. Hell most of them out are better off on sound click and MySpace... more views there too.

Evark 2009-02-07 14:29:05

"You understand that the property may be made available for download on the Internet for a fee or otherwise, and hereby consent to such. You further understand that due to the nature of the Internet medium, the Property may be downloaded and reproduced by Internet users and agree and confirm that the Newgrounds shall have no liability whatsoever for an infringement of my rights by an Internet user who downloads and/or uses the Property in an unauthorized fashion."

Apparently, they didn't understand that when they sent in their audio. Basically: you're submitting your shit to the public domain for other people (primarily flash artists) to use. As far as I understand it, someone laying down vocal work is still art and pretty much just as entitled to use your work. QUIT whinin' about it. If you're worried about someone DEFILING your work with theirs in the first place, you shouldn't be offering it up to a site that states explicitly that its contributors may yet do exactly that.

Druids-Warcry 2009-02-07 17:58:37

your mom is a shemale

there i said it, we all can live a happy life knowing this. and im sure your dad didnt really mind i mean your here...

ok im done see yeah. hope your as music thing works out for you.

Blasphem-E 2009-02-07 18:01:06

Man, you're taking what they said personally. Spawn didn't ask you not to record because he thought you sucked, he asked you not to record because he didn't want to hear ANYONE on it. It's just like that. As for the sampling, mostly when people sample they aren't using the entire work, they are using a small selection and using that section to create something new.

Nobody in their right mind will say that lyrics aren't an art form. Beat making and rhyming are 2 different arts. The thing is, sometimes people put enough effort into either one that they don't want to hear people do anything with it. This has nothing to do with your talent as an MC. I know you're going to respond by thinking/saying "What about the artists they sampled from?". When you think about it, what do you think is worse for them, hearing a small part of their music used to create something or hearing their entire songs stolen from them and "remixed" with horrible drum beats by Youtube DJ's? I don't think they really care at this point.

Man, I'm being respectful here, so I sure as hell hope you'll remain the same.

RoobyKillAll 2009-02-07 18:11:25

You've got really sick rhymes and I'm not saying your work doesn't deserve the scores ya got. You're way better in flow than me and I can openly admit that. I wanna get up to your level soontime. But it really does take more effort to make a beat than it is to actually produce the song. And that's just plain fact. It's not that we don't consider you a real artist. I'm the same way, I only rap over other people's beats.

Let me tell you a little story about one of war-spawn's beats "Shambles". Now, me and my boys were all chillen and so we wanted to record some shit. So I just downloaded some of war-spawn's tracks and decided to rap over 'em with my pal Josh. We rapped over Shambles and Tha Next Hell. I asked war-spawn if I could submit 'em both and you know what he said?
"Could you please not touch Shambles, it's sorta important to me."
Guess what I said.
"Ok sure man thanks for letting me use Tha Next Hell though."

I have a full track that kicks ass that me and my friend rapped over that could be uploaded right now. But I didn't out of respect for war-spawn and his wishes because it's more than just empty beats to him. Real artists put their soul into the music, not just their time. So when you walk in here thinking you're ENTITLED to these tracks... well, no you're not. He even suggested you hit him up on msn and he'd give you some other tracks. But you really did just throw that in his face after he was being polite and offered you other tracks to rap on. But you're so damn stubborn on your position on this you don't really notice that it's pissing people off. Well, now you do.

See, you could go off on us saying things like "Oh it's the internet, faggets. They're empty beats don't upload them then." So on and so fourth. But it really is a lot more than that. You were extremely disrespectful and that's what I personally take issue with. When he said he'd prefer you not to rap on them, you didn't say "Oh, well may I please rap over them anyhow and see if you like it?" No that's not what you said at all. You basically told Yun and war-spawn to fuck themselves and you're going to do it anyway.

So even though you think you're putting as much work into the track as they did, you're not. And even though you think you're putting your heart and soul onto the track, their souls are already there and sometimes they don't want other people's shit layin' over what they've made and we need to be respectful of that. Believe me you get a lot more out of the system in the end if you're just nice to people and don't stand so solid on your opinion. Who knows, if you decide not to rap over what, those 4 beats of war-spawn's, he'd likely give you 10 beats you like to rap over. Catch my drift?

So even though you don't give a flying fuck about what any of us think, you've made that very clear, we still do care. It's not just messing around on the internet now, you're taking someone's hard work, their time that they've spent working on a piece of art, and adding to it.

This is the way we all see it man. Would you walk into a museum and add a mustache to the Monalisa? Even if it looks badass, you just don't do it. Find a piece of artwork people want you to put a badass mustache on. Same with the beats here. Just ask like EVERYONE ELSE DOES. Nietzlawe told me specifically I could use whatever one of his tracks I liked to rap on, but even regardless of that I still ask him in advance before rapping over anything.

It's just respect for your fellow human being. I know that's hard to associate with the internet, but there really are real people behind these tracks and beats and you really can upset people in real life and that's what you've seemed to forgotten here. So regardless of what you feel you "Have to say", the beat makers already did that with the initial beat.

You're not just taking empty beats like you think you are. You're taking someone's message, their soul, their pride and joy, even if you don't hear any words being said. Some tracks are just more important to people than words. Don't you think if war-spawn wanted words over those tracks he'd do it himself? He's better than either of us and is more than capable of doing so.

Now I'm only saying this because war-spawn has been supportive of me and given me plenty of A-ranked tracks to spit on. He's been more than a nice guy here and I really cannot believe someone of your stature is stooping this low and being this disrespectful to someone like him. He just doesn't deserve it dude and that's why I just spent 30 minutes of my time to tell you this.

Give a little, you get a little.

Take a little, you only get a little and you piss everyone off. Comprendé? I really hope you understand. Just ask him for some different beats and calm this whole thing down. Please.

RoobyKillAll 2009-02-08 09:18:09

Did you even read anything I said? I never said you're breaking any rules, you're just being a prick. What hypocrisy? I ask for EVERY one of my beats. It's just common courtesy and you seem to feel you're above that. That's the jist of what I'm saying.

You're above respect, you're above courtesy, and you're above asking.

All hail the mighty Guzzi. Senior Prick of NG. May his glorious aura shine on and be a testament to anyone else who ever gets upset because someone used their work without asking. Bow down to the man who has instated this new NG order.

"Fuck you I do what I want."

Oh. Ok fine I guess you're just not going to let anyone stand in your way of being a genuine asshole. By all means. I didn't realize that's what you were trying to accomplish here. Thought you were trying to be a nice guy up to this point. My apologies, every website needs their assholes.

Please excuse my insolence. How could I ever have questioned your decision to take my friend's music without his permission.

RoobyKillAll 2009-02-08 11:00:09

Sampling is a part of hip-hop. Regardless of whether or not you think it's stealing or not. It's just part of the whole genre. Many mainstream and underground artists sample music and sell it. SO when you say you're doing the same thing and everyone's just being hypocrites... well in a sense, yes, but mostly no. It's only thing to sample a hook or some melody into your own work to make it your own. But it's a whole different ball game when you just pick up a track off someone and just put words over it. No matter how much you say it's hypocritical of us to say all this, it really isn't.

Hip-hop artists have been sampling music since the beginning of the fucking genre. So to compare yourself to a beat maker who sample's their work is pretty off to begin with. You're comparing yourself to a beat sampler. You're not sampling a beat. You're just rapping over it. There's a big difference between taking 4 seconds of a melody and sampling it than taking an entire beat and rapping over it and I think you know this but you're too stubborn to admit it.

Summary: When war-spawn makes a beat he may use a few seconds of someone else's work which is technically legal and isn't frowned upon in the hip-hop community.

5 second melody sampled into a production > You just taking the whole project and rapping on it. No matter what you say, the beat takes more time and effort to make. Have you ever tried making a beat that's on the quality level of war-spawn or Yun? Good fucking luck.

End of story really no matter how you look at it. If you don't comprehend this, well then there really was no point in me saying anything at all other than my sense of obligation to stick up for a friend. Maybe you see it my way and just don't want to be moved on your own opinion, or maybe you are just blissfully ignorant.

This world aint ya ashtray bud.

war-spawn 2009-02-08 13:55:56

Is there room for me to be on this post? Oh wait, I already am :<

But no seriously. I did offer to give other beats. You never really answered to that D:

DevourerJay 2009-02-08 13:59:53

HOLY SHIT WHAT A RANT

war-spawn 2009-02-08 14:03:50

And also, I did not harass at first. I believe my first comment was kinda just stating don't rap on those because they're priced possessions of mine. Then you said what you said, THEN I insulted. You were wrong for first starting a domino effect, and I was wrong for not ending it.

RoobyKillAll 2009-02-10 10:51:32

Eyo lol. I love your shit don't get me wrong. Sorry if i just repeat shit my memory really is fucked and I don't remember wtf I've even said at the beginning of my response. Just felt obligated to say something I guess.

Yeh rap and beats go together like white on rice (except wild rice) I agree. But a verse aint nothin' without a beat. But a beat is still a beat. No one listens to ocapello (wtf spelling).

Just glad you guys worked shit out. I wanna hear you up o some or war-spawn's tracks fo sho man and I can't wait to hear what you do with 'em. But I know how particular WS is about his favorite tracks and it really is just a courtesy thing. Like I said, he's willing to give ya hot tracks to spit on. We're all fam here tryin' to push our way up that chart. Rather see you up there than 86% of the other rappers on here.

Keep ya shit dope and you got my vote.

DevourerJay 2009-02-11 10:44:55

you too man! whats good?

Gooch 2009-02-13 03:34:28

This logic dispute would have been a lot better if it were presented in a lyrical throwdown. A battle rap of sorts.

YunVeroz 2009-02-17 14:43:48

Lol, why is this debate still going on? He isn't gonna change his mind, so it's useless. Now, let's all squash it and play some Street Fighter 4.

Dogmeat 2009-02-17 16:47:03

TL;DR Also, how come I've never seen you on the forums, or anywhere else before? Are you an audio mod or something?

WATCHurFLAG 2009-02-18 18:47:52

I think I love you.

DevourerJay 2009-02-20 23:33:47

This has gotten stale... new post is hereby recommended :P

war-spawn 2009-02-21 12:52:33

lol, battle raps.