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Thanks man.
*wishes luck*
Thanks whoa-man. :D
Merry Xmas
As far as rapping on my tracks, I'm telling you now that I would hate for anyone to touch Protect the Innocent and Tha Jump Off. I've asked people before to remove their lyrics from those just because they're practically more than just music to me.
Project 103 already has something coming out for it, all verses are done, just needs to have the hook done. (Which is basically me using FL's Wave Traveller to scratch previous verses from each person on the beat.)
And I highly doubt Yun would appreciate touching his stuff. He doesn't even like me rapping on his tracks :<
But yeah, if you need some instrumentals, just lemme know. I'll throw exclusives your way so then you could be on your way to completing this project.
Not to be a dick or anything... but I'm using them anyway. I know you don't want people bringing dishonor (or however you'd put it) by spitting garbage on top of hotness, but I don't think you're really even prepared for what I got in store. I'll put it to you this way... if you think YOU spit it "too religious" then you're in for a rude awakening when you hear my rhymes... it's more than music to me too, it's a body of messages that I HAVE-TO release. I don't want a red cent for what I have to say, I just want people to hear it.
If you don't want people using your instrumentals then DON'T UPLOAD THEM... I mean, what else can I say? I'd suggest throwing tags in at every 20-second interval but that's just lame. I'd rather have never heard your beats at all than have heard them and not be "allowed" to do shit with em. What the fuck do you think the Audio Portal was MADE FOR anyway?
Maybe the cats whose tracks you sampled don't want YOU using them either, ever think about that? Do you got a permission slip for all that shit? No? Then do I REALLY have to give a fuck if you're worried about this or not, since I already *know* I'm gonna do every track justice? You already know the answer to that one. I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do, and that's about all there is to it. You'll either like it or you won't, but it's HAPPENING, one way or the other.
PS -- Hooks? I DON'T NEED NO STINKIN HOOKS. On 'Project 103' I rhyme from 0:10 to 3:32 solid. On 'Tha Jump Off' I rhyme from 0:10 to 3:55 solid. Hell, the ONLY rhyme out of everything I listed above that actually has a hook is the one that goes with DOOM's 'Coltsfoot Leaf' beat.
Woah woah woah. I came to you respectfully. I also know your style with rapping, and I honestly don't want you on Tha Jump Off, Protect The Innocent, AND Project 103. And as far as sampling, using a sample is FAR different from rapping over a track. It takes effort upon effort to come out with instrumentals. Hell, it took 12 straight hours for Protect The Innocent, and about 2 months for Tha Jump Off.
And the hip-hop section of the AP isn't for people to rap on. Whoever told you that shit lied to you. I post my music so then I could GET HEARD. NOT FOR PEOPLE TO RAP WITH 8 SHADES OF REVERB TO RAP ON MY SHIT. You got shit to say, don't say it on my beat. I even offered to throw other tracks your way, one which I was about to post in about 30 minutes.
And as for the hook part, I was talking about Project 103. What I said was that I have people already doing a track to it. All that IS left is the hook. Learn how to read before jumping to conclusions.
LOL. "It takes effort upon effort to come out with instrumentals." Unless that effort upon effort is you playing each and every instrument and multi-track layering them upon each other like a number of other artists do... then you can take that noise somewhere else fella. I know it takes time and effort to make beats, I'm not stupid. You know what also takes time and effort? Writing rhymes that actually mean something and have a deeper message than just "guns cash hoes! look at how cool I am!"
Listen buddy, the AP, ***IN ITS ENTIRETY***, is for artists to use other artist's material. The whole point behind the creation of the Audio Portal was so that Flash artists would have a source of freely-usable music for their animations. Things have grown, obviously, but the purpose remains the same. Your beats are getting used whether you like it or not.
So anyway -- DO YOU have permission for all your samples? No? Then seriously, shut the fuck up and stop trying to delineate to me what "the differences" are between things just to cover up your hypocritical nonsense. And as for "jumping to conclusions" I was simply making the point that I can span an entire song by myself without having to even resort to filler. I'd comment on your own reading skills but SUBTEXT doesn't have much to do with words to begin with.
Wow, man.
I think the issue War-Spawn and I have with you using our beats is, at its core, about respect. I didn't get a single message from you introducing yourself, asking to use a beat. As far as I know, neither did Spawn. Really, it's just common courtesy. Running around nabbing instrumentals that artists have put work into making a true piece of art, without so much as a "how do ya do," is what we like to call "a bad look." And then proceeding to tell the producer who calls you out on it "I'm gonna use 'em anyway" and then start acting like THEY'RE the one who fucked up? That's an even worse look.
From what I can hear, it sounds like you put enough reverb on your vocals, to the point that we can hear your ego telling us how good you are, if we listen closely. I think this is the second issue Spawn and I have: the internet has effectively nullified all quality control from hip-hop, let alone respect for the art itself. Had you been an incredible MC proven to be the second coming of Ol' Dirty Bastard, we probably wouldn't take that much issue.
However, I, for one, am glad you choose to front this in-your-face attitude and braggadocio swagger, littered with bits of overconfidence. I certainly hope it keeps you afloat in this sink-or-swim pissing contest that is the rap game. I'm glad you're claiming you're gonna spit shit twisted enough to make my head spin, but if you don't deliver, don't be mad if you end up with egg on your face.
LOL.
The last time I got in touch with a NG-AP producer, it was Jincallo to inquire about his 'Take Cover' beat. He had it posted on his blog that he wanted permission from people first. So SURE, as a sign of courtesy, I asked him. He said "no", I reminded him how the Audio Portal came to be (just like I reminded your pal up there ^^^) and funny enough... he reconsidered his position and decided that I could use it. Didn't really matter though, since by the time he got back to me I had already chosen another beat and added an additional verse to the rhyme anyway.
Point being, I DO NOT NEED ANYONE'S PERMISSION, but that doesn't mean I just carry myself like some disrespectful cunt ALL the time. If I have to remind you WHY the AP exists and WHAT the Creative Commons License actually represents, then so be it. And you know what? I've been coming here longer than the two of you dudes COMBINED and I'll be here long after you've both given up on using the AP to get your jams noticed... so fuck this "I haven't introduced myself properly" bullshit. I don't give a rat's ass if you were previously aware of me or not.
If you really think I wouldn't have contacted you prior to their ACTUAL RELEASE to get your feedback and/or help on them, then you're wrong. I'm already aware that making beats and mastering tracks isn't my forte -- I would definitely have gotten in touch with yall at that point to make sure they sounded as official as possible. The very REASON I haven't recorded them yet is because I know my mastering skills are lacking and I don't want that aspect to overshadow the actual rhymes. Me posting this blog was for two reasons... 1) to motivate myself into finally doing some recording again, and 2) to bring more attention to you dudes.
There is no 'front' taking place because I'd talk like this to whoever, regardless. Hell, I LOVE the shit you guys make but that isn't going to stop me from telling the both of you to SHUT THE FUCK UP if you're approaching me with some stupidness like this. I *KNOW* where my talents are, and your little swipes at what kind of vocal effects I fumblingly try to use really doesn't do shit to alter what I already know about myself.
I'm not "in the rap game," I JUST SPIT RHYMES. Whether I sink or swim in life has nothing to do with anything even found on a computer. Not everyone who paints pictures is out there trying to hock their shit at the market. That being said, I'll use whatever-the-fuck canvas I want, thank you very much.
You want to talk to me about contacting people first or getting permission? Then YOU take the lead, Mr. "All sampled productions are used for whatever purposes the starving artistic militia sees fit. Deal with it." You want to talk to me about signs of disrespect? Then don't fucking take swipes at MY shit when all I have is praise for what you guys make. Jesus fuckin Christ.
Lol, are you just trying to act more like an asshole? "I'll use whatever-the-fuck canvas I want though, thank you very much." Way to sound like a graf writer. Maybe you can lecture me on copyright law and tell me to shut the fuck up some more. :P
Seriously, using me n Spawn, that's like thieving from thieves, by your logic. Sample clearance? Take MF DOOM off your little "to-do list," then. He samples more than we do, and I know for a fact that not all of them are cleared. Unlike DOOM, me and Spawn had "getting noticed" as the last thing on our priority list when he was dropping "MM..FOOD."
Much like DOOM, however, we're trying to make art in the form of music. But, since we use NGAP as a place to host our audio, the CC License (which, if you've been around NG for a while, you should be well acclimated with) expressly forbids sampled works. So, if anything, I, for one, would be grateful just to be completely unattached to anything you record on from me, because seeing as you're blowing up big, I don't wanna get yelled at for not clearing my samples. Actually, fuck it, who cares? My stuff's not even art, right?
To reiterate from my first comment, critical reading skills would show you that my main issue is, again, the respect factor. I really don't care if you've been on a website longer than I have; congratulations, I'll make you a medal shortly. But just having some respect for the art form and just ASKING a dude if it's cool or not, that's what has got us buggin'. Even if we said "No" and you used it anyway, at least we'd know you had some common decency to you.
But I think now it's quite evident that this discussion is pretty much futile. So, best of luck in all your future endeavours. I hope your return is nothing but monumental and power-packed.
Best,
Yun.
Whether the last bit was wrought with sarcasm or not, thanks.
As long as you realize that I'm playing by the same rules you're playing yourself. "I'm gonna use it anyway, deal with it." That's basically been your message on NG ever since I first saw your profile. The only advantage you have on me in that respect is that the artists YOU borrow from... they aren't even around here to know about it.
Dude, you're not even a top notch lyricist. Hell, you're multis are simplistic, your delivery is bland, and your flow is average. You sound the same in every track for crying out loud. So your ego is almost as pointless as you bringing up me using my samples.
If you haven't noticed, the way I sample is far different than your average producer. That is why I'm respected on this site by other people who sample as well. When you're able to take 5 different songs from different genres and be able to put them together with ease, than you can come talk to me about my samples.
Now, the reason why I'm uptight about this situation is because you have failed to address me or Yun about using our shit. If you're so hellbent on using our shit, then by all means show us the respect. But if you don't even show respect to us when we're only trying to keep our works from being RUINED, then what the fuck is the point rapping over it anyways?
There is no point to disrespect the artist then still use his shit like everything is dapper. Maybe if you were to understand the effort instead of just blindly talking shit, you'd feel the same way about having some no name NG rapper on your shit.
I'm done here. Go head and put your whack ass verses to our beats. This is a pitiful argument, and you're obviously an immature prick.
WHOAAAA look whose panties just got into a tightly-knotted twist! LOL!
Your beat are ills, there's no debate about that... but LOL, do NOT talk to me about my unimpressive rhymes, what with the lameness that YOU spit! Seriously, you made me laugh out loud with that one. I was going to say something earlier in response to your "he doesn't even like me rapping on his tracks" comment about Yun, but I really didn't want to take it there. You did it for me anyway. Oh well.
Yeah, I already know why you're uptight. The reason why it doesn't matter to me is because you two aren't exactly concerned for the well-being of the people YOU borrow from, so you're both just a pair of fucking hypocrites for complaining about the same thing to me. Show respect??? You don't even always MENTION OR ACKNOWLEDGE who it is you sample from anyway!!! That is the DEFINITION of disrespect! Hell, not only do I have thanks to you two for the beats at the beginning and/or close of each song, but I even include your names within some of the verses!
So whatever, stop being such a fucking crybaby over this. LOL, trying to trump up your beat-making and tear down my rhyme-writing? Yeah, talk to me about being pitiful and immature some more, you silly guy you! Just take the pacifier out of your mouth first.
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You two are too busy being insulted by my brashness to realize that ANYTHING that can give your music more positive exposure should be considered a good thing. So if people don't like the rhymes... so what? They'll still want to know where the beats came from, and I'm fitting to let them know. You'll get your due props even despite your douche-y, hypocritical ranting.
Here's the thing man. If you're going to use someone's stuff, the very least you can do is respect the artists who made them. All I see here if you pulling a bitch move and straight up ignoring the guys who's songs you want to use.
Honestly, I'm with you on how great it is to spit on a Spawn beat. I've done it twice. Shit's sexy as fuck. But the thing is, how do you expect to get any love from anyone when you're doing something like this? Honestly, Spawn offered to send EXCLUSIVES your way and you refused so you could pull some sort of power play.
Yes, technically you are allowed by CC to spit on Spawn and Yun's beats. But when this site is rated by the people who add to it, you really won't be getting anywhere.
Get your mind right man.
Listen, I understand where yall are coming from, but do you really not see the hypocrisy in the situation?
These dudes are chompin on me because I didn't ask permission for their beats first. You know, the same cats who've sampled from dozens if not hundreds of other artists without ever asking for their permission either. Do you see what I'm getting at? If you're gonna chomp on me for some shit that YOU DO YOURSELF, 100x WORSE THAN I DO IT, then I'm gonna chomp right back.
So REALLY, why is it that they can borrow without asking and its all gravy, no judgment there... but if I borrow without asking, well, I'm just pulling a "bitch move"? You know what I think is a bitch move? Tellin a talented dude that his shit is wack when all he wants to do is spit ill rhymes on hot beats and represent proper for EVERYONE. To me, a bitch move is WS getting all emotional over something that, as a matter of fact, I HAVEN'T EVEN DONE YET.
Do you see these dudes going out of their way to give props to the people they sampled from? Nahh, not particularly. But me giving them their due credit was in the game plan from the beginning. Think about it. Why else would I even bother to link to their profiles and all their beats? I'm not trying to hide what I plan to use, I want MORE PEOPLE to know about these guys. Apparently that counts as a "bad look" these days.
And as for using alternate beats, it's a little trickier than you think. Some of the stuff I've written was basically inspired-by and made-for their beats, "I Kill For You" and "Protect the Innocent" in particular. I pretty much can't use anything else for the latter because the whole theme of the rhyme is meant to match the theme of the song and the voice samples. I already have over nine tracks I'm trying to find NG-AP replacements for and I really don't feel like going back to square one for the few tracks that I do have Newgrounds beats for.
And you know what? Now that I think about it, I'm fairly positive I PM'd Yun awhiles back to ask him how to pronounce his name properly so I could shout him out on the rhymes. So it's not like this is COMPLETELY out of left field or anything.
Anyway. Whether people love me or hate me over this dumb argument, I could care less. Wait till I release the rhymes and THEN tell me how much of a jerk I am or how much I suck at this, that, and the other thing. Arguing with me beforehand over some perceived slight and hurt feelings is what's not gonna get anybody anywhere. I'm not here to lick boots or placate sore emotions, so with *ALL DUE RESPECT* everyone can quit their bitching already and get on with their fucking lives.
Dawg, let me put it to you this way: you want someone to take a track you finished and slap some stupid sound effects over it, talk like DJ Envy or DJ Khaled all over it and re-upload it as their track even though it's you rapping? And they didn't ask you for the track or nothing? I know you don't because this whole time you're trying to make it clear you have lyricism and someone pulling that shit would ruin your rep simply from seeming to be involved with you. The same applies here. Spawn told you already, don't touch these three instros because they are off-limits. The AP is NOT a place to go grabbing what you want and rapping over it. If you think it is, go grab someone's flash and add your own stupid bullshit to it then reup it, see how fast your account is banned.
Quite frankly, the AP is a place where artists get their music into flash or downloaded or favorited by fans to listen to. It's secondary usage can be to grab instros, but it's common courtesy to clear it with the producer. Not only common courtesy, though, but just a downright smart idea. I've yet to turn down a request for a track, but my inbox is full of them because the rest of the artists here know to PM first. Why are you being such a dick about it? If he said no, move the fuck on. It isn't that hard, really.
As for your lyricism, you've got bars, great. You've got some flow, wonderful. But PJ 103 I can assure you, there's no way you've got the artists on it beat. Hands down I guarantee we would flip your bars over and make them feel small and insignificant. Some of us do this professionally, not just on NG. NG is a place I found fun to upload WIPs to and found some other talented people to work with, but when I release a vocal track, that shit isn't playtime. We've had PJ 103 recorded and in the mixing and mastering stage now for 3 weeks, but it's been worked on by one or more of us since last year. If Spawn says no, he means no. And I agree because I don't need someone to botch up a track before the full version comes down.
Appreciate the interest, but ultimately it's up to the artist who produced the beat, not up to you. That final clause in Creative Commons licensing about "moral" recompense via the author, is a clause that means an author still ultimately has control of his works and, while you are allowed to share and remix the works, the author may pull his work at anytime and pulls the licensing as well. In this respect, if you want to use the track and the author says no, you've been given a clear, defineable answer as to the licensing agreement. Since you're now hiding behind the "you sample, so I can take your track" defense, let's put it this way: Under CC, you are legally bound to follow Spawn's wishes. Thank you, good day.
Here are the the things that set me off.
1. WS has damn near 300 audio submissions. Almost THREE HUNDRED. Out of that amount I wrote rhymes for 5 of them. Amazingly, out of alllllll those submissions, I happened to pick the few that are totally off-limits? You have GOT to be kidding me. You really think he was being sincere about sending exclusives my way, especially after he revealed what he thinks about my style?
2. I'm not allowed to use them... why? Because other people are already going to rhyme on them? SO THE FUCK WHAT? Seriously. I hear even commercial beats being reused by artists for radio freestyles and mixtapes and remixes... it's as much a part of hip-hop culture as anything else... hell, "reuse" is essentially how his beats are MADE for crying out loud.
So, how is more people using a track, using it in MAYBE more diverse ways than was originally planned... how does that actually reduce the value of the track? Even if I rapped like a four year-old and people absolutely hated me, they'd still love the beat and want to know who made it. So, if my shit is hot and people love it... what's the problem? If my shit is garbage and people hate it... WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? The beat is gonna shine regardless.
3. I HAVEN'T EVEN RECORDED ANYTHING YET!!! Do you SEE that list? I have 70+ minutes of solid spit to record. That's basically an entire album, WITHOUT all the skits and filler material. It pisses me off that people are trying to tell me that I'm disrespectful for not asking him or approaching him first, when the ONLY thing I've even done so far is write the rhymes. Are you seriously going to tell me that I need to ask permission to WRITE? That I need to give him a heads-up first before I even put pen to paper? So... I'm a jerk for stating my intention to rhyme?
When I say I'm going to record the shit ANYWAY, you're damn right I'm serious about it... but it was never my intention to UPLOAD anything without sending it his way beforehand. Obviously, I gotta record something first to even be ABLE to send it to him, RIGHT? So what kind of bullshit is this -- he doesn't want me using them, without him having even heard the rhymes??? So basically, I got a vote of no-confidence from the get-go and that's why I'm apt to respond in an obnoxious fucking manner.
Okay, I lied. Last comment this time....
If the author of who I sample is in my reach, I'll PM them and ask them. Just so you got that clear.
What makes you think I wouldn't have forwarded what I eventually recorded to you first, to get your feedback and mastering help, before even trying to upload anything? What... because I wrote stuff down without notifying you about me writing it? Ugh.
You know, for all the shit you talked about my style, I've been an even BIGGER critic of myself than you or anyone else here. Lyrics-wise I'm confident, fuck the haters, but delivery-wise I know I have a long way to go... I can't stand how I sound, with effects OR without, even on the tracks that people DO like. It is the very reason why this stuff is still unrecorded. Some of these rhymes were written between '04 and '06 for chrissakes. I had no problem submitting what few tracks I HAVE recorded because those joints were cartoonish and don't particularly mean anything to me. THESE ONES I take seriously, and I'm serious about wanting to do them justice.
Dude, I can't speak for Yun because I think I've maybe talked to the dude once, but I can tell you that spawn is seriously passionate about his music. If he says a song means something to him, let it be. And man, if you're showing attitude, you really expect anybody to give you any respect? Honestly, even if you were Nas, KRS-One, Lupe or anybody else, we wouldn't give you any props or think much of your music if you were doing something like this.
No, I'm not saying you're good, but neither am I saying you're bad. Honestly, my sound card's been fucked up so I haven't had a chance to listen to very much at all recently, so I can't comment on this. But just looking at your lyrics, I'm telling you right now, you can not hold any weight to the dudes on Project 103.
Honestly man, just lay off and start showing some respect.
First off, the artist and the art are two different things. You don't gotta like a dude to appreciate what he creates. I'm sure a whole bunch of music/film/print artists whose work you love are complete douchebags in real life.
I'll be as obnoxious as I feel like being because I'm NOT here to get all buddy-buddy with everyone and I'm NOT going to walk on eggshells just to avoid being seen in a negative light. I could give a fuck less whether you like me or not based on what I write here. Hell, mayyyyybe I'm even being a dick on purpose just to get yall to hate on me! LOL. That way you'll be even more conflicted when you hear my shit. No one's going to WANT to give me my props, but inside themselves they'd still at least have some respect for the verses.
And as for different versions of P103 being out... yall should welcome it. If their version is wrought with snappy punchlines and jokes then I don't doubt it'd be more popular than my version. My shit only has a couple chuckles in there, the majority of it will just make you scratch your heads and wonder what exactly the fuck it is I'm talking about. So if their version is iller, then WHY NOT have a wack version to compare it to? That'd only raise their status MORE, right?
See, this is what I don't get. There are no REAL negatives to me using his jams. MORE IS BETTER, PERIOD. Even if what I create pales in comparison to what they create, it still only means more recognition and respect for THEM. No one is going to dislike WS or shit on his beats because of something I spit. That's why this whole thing is fucking ridiculous to me. WHAT ARE YALL SO AFRAID OF? Howsabout you let me do what I do, and back the fuck off already.
*sigh* really man... really you're a twat there not a lot I'm going to say
If you had any common fucking respect you spit your shit hold the track Present it to spawn and yun and if they OK it then gold. But really "Color-Coded Killers" if that's the best you got I think someone just put your fire balls out there Mario.
Really you're being one hell of a little kid about this shit. Have some fucking respect for some ones work, I'm sure you would not know what it is cus as I can see your "music" is just you squatting little shit shards on true artists blood sweet and tears. If you had one once of "real" in you, you could see where yun and Spawn are coming from.
If THEY had any common respect they'd actually wait to hear the verses before trying to shut my shit down.
LOL... don't talk to me about acting like a little kid when you just rail-off with a bunch of retarded fucking insults. Why are they directing people over to my blog page anyway? Mind your own fucking business.
Dude, you tell us to mind our own business when you're still being disrespectful. And there's no problem with writing, I don't think Spawn or Yun have a problem with you writing to their beats. The problem is that you intend to record over the songs that they hold dear enough to not want to hear rapping over. AND that you wouldn't even ask them about it. You say you'd send it to be mastered, but that's asking for help, not asking for permission.
Very simple, you have a problem with Spawn and Yun over this, you have a problem with me and likely InGenius and Druid, so don't tell us to mind our own business.
LOL I'm not particularly inclined to act like a friendly English chap TUT TUT and TALLY-HO when I have people suddenly swarming my page complaining about me doing something that I haven't actually even done yet.
It's not like my "FUCK Y'ALL" was unsolicited here. I didn't come to your blogs to start ruckus or try to prevent yall from doing what you wanted to do with your creativity, now did I? I'm pretty content with leaving people the fuck alone up until they start trying to get in my ass over some absurd shit.
bkdude
You should stick to your music and ditch the BBS.
StealthSteve (Updated )
LOL. I ditch it on the regular but I'll never ever leave it completely.
Call it 'portion control' if you will. :P